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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 
 
We always had a perspective of trying to turn the WSF into a new international, and were much derided for this. Chavez call is welcome, but also a sign that the revolutionaries in the workers movement have dithered too long and so it has fallen to populists like Chavez to make the call for a Fifth International. Now it is a question of struggle over how a new international will be formed,  whether it will be a revolutionary and based on the working-class or populist and bound to figures like Chavez and the Venezuelan state. 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezuelas-president-hugo-chavez-calls-fifth-international&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezue...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>We always had a perspective of trying to turn the WSF into a new international, and were much derided for this. Chavez call is welcome, but also a sign that the revolutionaries in the workers movement have dithered too long and so it has fallen to populists like Chavez to make the call for a Fifth International. Now it is a question of struggle over how a new international will be formed,  whether it will be a revolutionary and based on the working-class or populist and bound to figures like Chavez and the Venezuelan state. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezuelas-president-hugo-chavez-calls-fifth-international" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezue.." rel="nofollow">http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezue..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jewbonic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jewbonic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given my contest, I have to moderate comments (I let everything through except expletive-filled rants). I knew that there was internal discussion at the WSFs of the prospect of turning them into a 5th International. I suppose it&#039;s still possible, but seems unlikely. I do disagree on your characterization of Chavez--I think the situation is more complicated than you make it out to be, it&#039;s not simple populism, there was a real rupture in consciousness in 1989, and Chavez is running a bourgeois state but I think there&#039;s a situation of dual power in which Chavez is a strategic ally of the working-class, in many cases, and it&#039;s mistake to just deride &quot;Chavez and his &#039;allies.&#039;&quot;  After all, hard-left chavistas, anarchist in spirit, support Chavez. Who are we to judge from afar? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given my contest, I have to moderate comments (I let everything through except expletive-filled rants). I knew that there was internal discussion at the WSFs of the prospect of turning them into a 5th International. I suppose it’s still possible, but seems unlikely. I do disagree on your characterization of Chavez–I think the situation is more complicated than you make it out to be, it’s not simple populism, there was a real rupture in consciousness in 1989, and Chavez is running a bourgeois state but I think there’s a situation of dual power in which Chavez is a strategic ally of the working-class, in many cases, and it’s mistake to just deride “Chavez and his ‘allies.’”  After all, hard-left chavistas, anarchist in spirit, support Chavez. Who are we to judge from afar?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 
 
Don&#039;t know if the last post was accepted, apologies if I&#039;m double posting. We have raised the need for a fifth international for several years now, and raised it at the WSF and the European SF, with the perspective of transforming them into a new international. This has not happened, the revolutionary workers movement has dithered and the result is that its been left up to populists like Chavez to make the call. Its now a question of struggle whether this call instigates a process of debate and organisation between forces committed to revolutionary change over how to form a new international,  or whether Chavez and his &quot;allies&quot; hijack the project and it becomes an obstacle revolution, an instrument in the service of the Venezuelan state and its bourgeois allies. The project of building a fifth international has the potential to win significant sections of workers around the world to it, the question is whether it becomes a real tool for revolution internationally, or a tool for propping up bourgeois states like Venezuela. 
 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezuelas-president-hugo-chavez-calls-fifth-international&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezue...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi </p>
<p>Don’t know if the last post was accepted, apologies if I’m double posting. We have raised the need for a fifth international for several years now, and raised it at the WSF and the European SF, with the perspective of transforming them into a new international. This has not happened, the revolutionary workers movement has dithered and the result is that its been left up to populists like Chavez to make the call. Its now a question of struggle whether this call instigates a process of debate and organisation between forces committed to revolutionary change over how to form a new international,  or whether Chavez and his “allies” hijack the project and it becomes an obstacle revolution, an instrument in the service of the Venezuelan state and its bourgeois allies. The project of building a fifth international has the potential to win significant sections of workers around the world to it, the question is whether it becomes a real tool for revolution internationally, or a tool for propping up bourgeois states like Venezuela. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezuelas-president-hugo-chavez-calls-fifth-international" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezue.." rel="nofollow">http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/venezue..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to look at this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4944&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4944&lt;/a&gt; 
 
and in the case of the caracas event, this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://marccooper.com/the-not-so-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-harry-hugo-and-raul/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://marccooper.com/the-not-so-good-the-bad-and...&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to look at this: <a href="http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4944" target="_blank">http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4944</a> </p>
<p>and in the case of the caracas event, this: <a href="http://marccooper.com/the-not-so-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-harry-hugo-and-raul/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://marccooper.com/the-not-so-good-the-bad-and.." rel="nofollow">http://marccooper.com/the-not-so-good-the-bad-and..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Yann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 21:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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